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		<title>By: Kristin T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, that makes me SO glad, too! With just the little bit you&#039;ve shared about your situation, I can completely imagine myself in it. For most of us, the people-pleaser mode has a mighty strong pull—one that we have to intentionally, consistently resist. But you&#039;re absolutely right: &quot;I can’t go back, I can only be who I am and who God wants &amp; calls me to be.&quot; And I guess that&#039;s part of the whole point: He doesn&#039;t create and call us to all be the same, which in my mind indicates there&#039;s a lot less &quot;right and wrong&quot; and &quot;black and white&quot; than many people want to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, that makes me SO glad, too! With just the little bit you&#8217;ve shared about your situation, I can completely imagine myself in it. For most of us, the people-pleaser mode has a mighty strong pull—one that we have to intentionally, consistently resist. But you&#8217;re absolutely right: &#8220;I can’t go back, I can only be who I am and who God wants &amp; calls me to be.&#8221; And I guess that&#8217;s part of the whole point: He doesn&#8217;t create and call us to all be the same, which in my mind indicates there&#8217;s a lot less &#8220;right and wrong&#8221; and &#8220;black and white&#8221; than many people want to think.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristin, I am SO GLAD to have found you. I really needed to hear this - such a powerful realization! I&#039;ve been really struggling in the midst of a group I&#039;ve found myself in. I think it&#039;s important for me to be there, but it&#039;s hard to feel like I&#039;m a heathen, to know that I believe *so differently* even though we&#039;re all following Jesus. I fluctuate between wanting to be like *them* (in full people-pleaser mode) and knowing that I can&#039;t go back, I can only be who I am and who God wants &amp; calls me to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristin, I am SO GLAD to have found you. I really needed to hear this &#8211; such a powerful realization! I&#8217;ve been really struggling in the midst of a group I&#8217;ve found myself in. I think it&#8217;s important for me to be there, but it&#8217;s hard to feel like I&#8217;m a heathen, to know that I believe *so differently* even though we&#8217;re all following Jesus. I fluctuate between wanting to be like *them* (in full people-pleaser mode) and knowing that I can&#8217;t go back, I can only be who I am and who God wants &amp; calls me to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, your take on being a &quot;God professional&quot; (I see it in all the pastors at our church) is very refreshing. It&#039;s one of the main reasons I came (and stayed) in this community of believers. Thank you for the honesty and humility and desire to seek for more of God. Regarding what you say about God speaking through others—yes! This is the tricky part of it all. It would be relatively easy to just tune people out and say &quot;I&#039;m busy listening to God.&quot; But I know, first-hand, that &quot;People are God’s method, means, and purpose,&quot; as you say. For me, discerning which words are from God and which aren&#039;t has had a lot to do with gradually better understanding who God is—through the Bible and teachings and what I believe he&#039;s done in my life. As my understanding of God grows, my ability to identify his true voice grows, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, your take on being a &#8220;God professional&#8221; (I see it in all the pastors at our church) is very refreshing. It&#8217;s one of the main reasons I came (and stayed) in this community of believers. Thank you for the honesty and humility and desire to seek for more of God. Regarding what you say about God speaking through others—yes! This is the tricky part of it all. It would be relatively easy to just tune people out and say &#8220;I&#8217;m busy listening to God.&#8221; But I know, first-hand, that &#8220;People are God’s method, means, and purpose,&#8221; as you say. For me, discerning which words are from God and which aren&#8217;t has had a lot to do with gradually better understanding who God is—through the Bible and teachings and what I believe he&#8217;s done in my life. As my understanding of God grows, my ability to identify his true voice grows, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Simkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Simkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kristin,

As always, I enjoyed and am challenged by your writing.  This time especially referring to &quot;The Problem with letting people speak for God.&quot;  I appreciated very much the two steps of personal growth that you shared near the end.  Three comments:

(1)  As one of those &quot;professionals&quot; referred to in several of the responses, let me assure everyone that we are not more &quot;holy&quot; than others.  I know many sisters and brothers with simpler, more direct, and more loving faithfulness than I have ever been able to muster even with God&#039;s help -- even though , I really care about continuing to grow.  So, I would say, please never be intimidated by a &quot;God professional,&quot; there is no such person.  Like experts in all other fields, even the most expert biblical language scholar, counselor, church administrator, meditation technicques guru, or media communicator is only an expert in that specific area, not in faithfulness to the living God.  Never let any religious leader try to tell you differently.  I have known many, and they have all been, like me, at best seekers for more of God, and at worst arrogant spokespersons for that which is not really God.
(2)  There is a great Rabbinic story that emphasizes your point about growing by learning to be more who you were meant to be yourself.  A young Rabbi kept beating himself up because he couldn&#039;t be more like Moses, until the wise old Rabbi said to him, &quot;Eli, when you stand before God, God won&#039;t ask you why you didn&#039;t live more like Moses, God will ask you why you didn&#039;t live more like Eli.&quot;
(3)  I agree about not letting &quot;experts&quot; overwhelm us and intimidate us about what God is saying to us.  But, we do have to live in a polarity that is dynamic and risky.  We cannot let others speak for God as though they were God, and yet at the same time most of what God speaks to us comes through &quot;incarnation&quot; -- ie., through people past and present including both other people and ourselves.  God&#039;s chosen method of communicating is through people.  People are God&#039;s method, means, and purpose.  That is why it is so important that we push one another to both hear and speak in terms of the big picture of God who loves us enough to love us as we are, and also loves us enough to push us to keep being more the wonderful person we are made to be.

Again, thanks Kristin for pushing all the right buttons.  You often do!

Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kristin,</p>
<p>As always, I enjoyed and am challenged by your writing.  This time especially referring to &#8220;The Problem with letting people speak for God.&#8221;  I appreciated very much the two steps of personal growth that you shared near the end.  Three comments:</p>
<p>(1)  As one of those &#8220;professionals&#8221; referred to in several of the responses, let me assure everyone that we are not more &#8220;holy&#8221; than others.  I know many sisters and brothers with simpler, more direct, and more loving faithfulness than I have ever been able to muster even with God&#8217;s help &#8212; even though , I really care about continuing to grow.  So, I would say, please never be intimidated by a &#8220;God professional,&#8221; there is no such person.  Like experts in all other fields, even the most expert biblical language scholar, counselor, church administrator, meditation technicques guru, or media communicator is only an expert in that specific area, not in faithfulness to the living God.  Never let any religious leader try to tell you differently.  I have known many, and they have all been, like me, at best seekers for more of God, and at worst arrogant spokespersons for that which is not really God.<br />
(2)  There is a great Rabbinic story that emphasizes your point about growing by learning to be more who you were meant to be yourself.  A young Rabbi kept beating himself up because he couldn&#8217;t be more like Moses, until the wise old Rabbi said to him, &#8220;Eli, when you stand before God, God won&#8217;t ask you why you didn&#8217;t live more like Moses, God will ask you why you didn&#8217;t live more like Eli.&#8221;<br />
(3)  I agree about not letting &#8220;experts&#8221; overwhelm us and intimidate us about what God is saying to us.  But, we do have to live in a polarity that is dynamic and risky.  We cannot let others speak for God as though they were God, and yet at the same time most of what God speaks to us comes through &#8220;incarnation&#8221; &#8212; ie., through people past and present including both other people and ourselves.  God&#8217;s chosen method of communicating is through people.  People are God&#8217;s method, means, and purpose.  That is why it is so important that we push one another to both hear and speak in terms of the big picture of God who loves us enough to love us as we are, and also loves us enough to push us to keep being more the wonderful person we are made to be.</p>
<p>Again, thanks Kristin for pushing all the right buttons.  You often do!</p>
<p>Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin T.</title>
		<link>http://www.halfwaytonormal.com/?p=330&#038;cpage=1#comment-2319</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristin T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I&#039;m so glad these words moved you and touched some deep part of you. As I mentioned in my response to Meredith, even though it&#039;s tempting to just tell funny, happy stories, I often feel a topic like this just nagging at my soul, in a way that&#039;s impossible to ignore. In the end, because of people like you, I&#039;m always glad I paid attention and put down the words that needed to be written.

Modern Gal, I have a Christian friend who&#039;s a Yankee kid transplanted to the South. Her stories and frustrations sound very similar to yours. What you say about &quot;learning to trust [your] own faith&quot; is so important. I&#039;ve noticed that confidence growing in myself these past few years. It&#039;s a confidence that&#039;s similar to a teenager who&#039;s able to have their own very distinct style rather than just wearing what everyone else has determined is currently &quot;in.&quot; It&#039;s so freeing, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I&#8217;m so glad these words moved you and touched some deep part of you. As I mentioned in my response to Meredith, even though it&#8217;s tempting to just tell funny, happy stories, I often feel a topic like this just nagging at my soul, in a way that&#8217;s impossible to ignore. In the end, because of people like you, I&#8217;m always glad I paid attention and put down the words that needed to be written.</p>
<p>Modern Gal, I have a Christian friend who&#8217;s a Yankee kid transplanted to the South. Her stories and frustrations sound very similar to yours. What you say about &#8220;learning to trust [your] own faith&#8221; is so important. I&#8217;ve noticed that confidence growing in myself these past few years. It&#8217;s a confidence that&#8217;s similar to a teenager who&#8217;s able to have their own very distinct style rather than just wearing what everyone else has determined is currently &#8220;in.&#8221; It&#8217;s so freeing, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: The Modern Gal</title>
		<link>http://www.halfwaytonormal.com/?p=330&#038;cpage=1#comment-2316</link>
		<dc:creator>The Modern Gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. Living in the South, I find myself face to face with these so-called Christians like the ones Keren was surrounded by. I found myself resenting them many, many times over because their type of Christianity just didn&#039;t jibe with me. But, I&#039;m learning to trust my own faith and my own belief of what being a Christian is and trying to pray for these people who do use their religion to treat others unjustly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Living in the South, I find myself face to face with these so-called Christians like the ones Keren was surrounded by. I found myself resenting them many, many times over because their type of Christianity just didn&#8217;t jibe with me. But, I&#8217;m learning to trust my own faith and my own belief of what being a Christian is and trying to pray for these people who do use their religion to treat others unjustly.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.halfwaytonormal.com/?p=330&#038;cpage=1#comment-2315</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit speechless.  All I can say, and it comes from the depths of my souls, is AMEN Kristin!  I feel like I should say more, but you&#039;ve said it all.  God is so much more awesome than what tradition tells us.  I&#039;m just in awe.  Thanks so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit speechless.  All I can say, and it comes from the depths of my souls, is AMEN Kristin!  I feel like I should say more, but you&#8217;ve said it all.  God is so much more awesome than what tradition tells us.  I&#8217;m just in awe.  Thanks so much!</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin T.</title>
		<link>http://www.halfwaytonormal.com/?p=330&#038;cpage=1#comment-2314</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristin T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krissy, isn&#039;t that interesting, that we tend to see some people as closer or more connected to God because they are &quot;professionals&quot; or have a certain degree? Clearly some people are more learned when it comes to the Bible, and some people spend more time praying and meditating than others, but God speaks to all of us. Sometimes we just forget how to listen to him, because it seems so much easier to listen to other people.

Meredith, I&#039;m so glad you chose to speak up here. Your experience—particularly your sense of being shut out, and the disdain and distrust you&#039;ve felt for the church—is exactly what compels me to write about these issues. I have to admit, most of the time I&#039;d  rather not. I&#039;d rather write about happy, funny things, that don&#039;t make people uncomfortable. But when I hear about where you&#039;re at, and your longing to be a part of a church community in spite of your hurt, it gives me lots of hope.

Kelley, you make a very good point about the pruning God does. I wrote about that very image in a post last month, &quot;Making room for new life in an old faith.&quot; But the way you word this does not quite line up with what I have come to learn about God: &quot;I believe He wants to amputate the things that are displeasing to Him and harmful to us.&quot; Maybe this is the key difference between my approach to the pruning metaphor versus the amputation metaphor: I think of pruning as something God does in my *life.* He has pruned things in my life, like harmful relationships and habits. But I think of amputation as cutting off a very part of who and what I am and was created to be. And I don&#039;t believe he does that. Nothing about who we were created to be is &quot;displeasing&quot; to God. A good example might be a person&#039;s sexuality. It can certainly be expressed in negative, harmful ways, or those energies and desires can be directed in beautiful, affirming ways. If we&#039;ve struggled with our sexuality in the past, God doesn&#039;t &quot;amputate&quot; it. He reworks and redeems it. 

Trina, finding hope and seeing beyond the &quot;bunk&quot;—what a great summary of what I ultimately set out to do in these posts! Thank you for recognizing that, and for letting me know that you do. :)

Elaine, this is a great connection—&quot;the failure of those around us&quot; and &quot;the failure of our bodies.&quot; There are so many disappointing and distracting messages coming at us, whether they&#039;re coming from people&#039;s mouths or from within us. What&#039;s important is that we learn to differentiate what God is saying to us, and focus in on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krissy, isn&#8217;t that interesting, that we tend to see some people as closer or more connected to God because they are &#8220;professionals&#8221; or have a certain degree? Clearly some people are more learned when it comes to the Bible, and some people spend more time praying and meditating than others, but God speaks to all of us. Sometimes we just forget how to listen to him, because it seems so much easier to listen to other people.</p>
<p>Meredith, I&#8217;m so glad you chose to speak up here. Your experience—particularly your sense of being shut out, and the disdain and distrust you&#8217;ve felt for the church—is exactly what compels me to write about these issues. I have to admit, most of the time I&#8217;d  rather not. I&#8217;d rather write about happy, funny things, that don&#8217;t make people uncomfortable. But when I hear about where you&#8217;re at, and your longing to be a part of a church community in spite of your hurt, it gives me lots of hope.</p>
<p>Kelley, you make a very good point about the pruning God does. I wrote about that very image in a post last month, &#8220;Making room for new life in an old faith.&#8221; But the way you word this does not quite line up with what I have come to learn about God: &#8220;I believe He wants to amputate the things that are displeasing to Him and harmful to us.&#8221; Maybe this is the key difference between my approach to the pruning metaphor versus the amputation metaphor: I think of pruning as something God does in my *life.* He has pruned things in my life, like harmful relationships and habits. But I think of amputation as cutting off a very part of who and what I am and was created to be. And I don&#8217;t believe he does that. Nothing about who we were created to be is &#8220;displeasing&#8221; to God. A good example might be a person&#8217;s sexuality. It can certainly be expressed in negative, harmful ways, or those energies and desires can be directed in beautiful, affirming ways. If we&#8217;ve struggled with our sexuality in the past, God doesn&#8217;t &#8220;amputate&#8221; it. He reworks and redeems it. </p>
<p>Trina, finding hope and seeing beyond the &#8220;bunk&#8221;—what a great summary of what I ultimately set out to do in these posts! Thank you for recognizing that, and for letting me know that you do. :)</p>
<p>Elaine, this is a great connection—&#8221;the failure of those around us&#8221; and &#8220;the failure of our bodies.&#8221; There are so many disappointing and distracting messages coming at us, whether they&#8217;re coming from people&#8217;s mouths or from within us. What&#8217;s important is that we learn to differentiate what God is saying to us, and focus in on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Tolsma-Harlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Tolsma-Harlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been pondering this over in my brain while tinkering around the house and these thoughts came to me.  I was very accepting when I was told I had cancer.  I accepted this was God&#039;s plan for my life.  What I had a near impossible time accepting was the chronic condition that resulted from the cancer treatments I now have &amp; will possibly have for the rest of my life.  Wether it be the failure of those around us or the failure of our bodies, there comes a time when we need to do a little wrestling with God.  I ddi not walk away unscathed from wrestling God, but what I have learned is that ultimately it is not about me, but it is about Christ and his deep love for me.  If his eye is on the sparrow, it must also be on me.  Suffering makes us self-centric. I still struggle daily with that, but being compassionate, loving, forgiving brings it back to God.  It is not just about being whole, it is about also being holy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been pondering this over in my brain while tinkering around the house and these thoughts came to me.  I was very accepting when I was told I had cancer.  I accepted this was God&#8217;s plan for my life.  What I had a near impossible time accepting was the chronic condition that resulted from the cancer treatments I now have &amp; will possibly have for the rest of my life.  Wether it be the failure of those around us or the failure of our bodies, there comes a time when we need to do a little wrestling with God.  I ddi not walk away unscathed from wrestling God, but what I have learned is that ultimately it is not about me, but it is about Christ and his deep love for me.  If his eye is on the sparrow, it must also be on me.  Suffering makes us self-centric. I still struggle daily with that, but being compassionate, loving, forgiving brings it back to God.  It is not just about being whole, it is about also being holy.</p>
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		<title>By: Trina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everytime I read your posts describing aspects of your beliefs, it gives me hope for Christianity. I dont actively follow a path to God, generally due to the &#039;bunk&#039; that surrounds it. I can see through your eyes, that need not be the case. Hmmm, things to ponder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everytime I read your posts describing aspects of your beliefs, it gives me hope for Christianity. I dont actively follow a path to God, generally due to the &#8216;bunk&#8217; that surrounds it. I can see through your eyes, that need not be the case. Hmmm, things to ponder.</p>
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